Nov 09, 2023 Special Board Meeting

[A. Call the Meeting to Order and Roll Call]

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>> GOOD MORNING. THE CONEJO VEAM BOARD OF EDUCATION SPECIAL MEETING OF NOVEMBER 9, 2023, WILL COME TO ORDER. PURSUANT TO THE RAFFLE M. BROWN ACT ONLY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA WILL BE DISCUSSED THIS MORNING.

PLEASE JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I LEVERAGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -- I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE MEETING.

WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING ANNOUNCEMENTS.

THE BOARD VALUES YOUR INPUT. THEREFORE, THE BOARD PROVIDES MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

THE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE PUBLIC OR WRITTEN COMMENTS TO THE BOARD CAN BE FOUND ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE BOARD AGENDA. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO E-MAIL THEIR COMMENTS BY 8 A.M. TODAY.

BOARD MEMBERS WERE PROVIDED TO THESE WRITTEN COMMENTS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING. PERCEPTION WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD IN PERSON WOULD FILL OUT A BLUE SPEAKER'S CARD.

IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SPECIAL AGENDA ITEM PLEASE TURN IN YOUR CARD PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THE AGENDA.

IF YOU INTEND TO DONATE YOUR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER PLEASE LET ALSO HELLMAN KNOW. PLEASE FILL OUT A PUBLIC STATEMENT FORM AND TURN IT AT THE SECRETARY'S DESKT.

BOARD MEMBERS WILL BE PROVIDED WITH THOSE STATEMENTS AFTER THE MEETING. RECORDING AND BROADCAST MAY CAPTURE IMAGES AND SOUNDS TO THOSE ATTENDING THE MEETING.

SMOKING IS NOT ALLOWED ON MY PORTION OF THE DISTRICT PROPERTY. PLEASE SILENCE ALL MOBILE

[C. Approval of the Agenda]

>> TRUSTEE SIM VEST TER. >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE

AGENDA AS SET FORTH. >> ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE? TREFT GOLDBERG, 80, TRUSTEE POWELL, TRUSTEE GORBACK, YES, TRUSTEE SYLVESTER, YES.

AND I AM A YES. >> JUST AS A POINT OF ORDER,

[D. Comments - Public (Limited to Special Board Meeting Agenda Items Only)]

>> 2D, COMMENTS. ALL INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROVIDE COMMENTS UNDER GOVERNMENT CODE 549.5.3.

IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO AND WISH TO SPEAK PLEASE HAND IN YOUR BLUE CARD TO ALSO FELLMAN. PLEASE NOTE IF YOU HAVE DESTINY MATERIALS TO HAND TO BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE HAND THOSE MATERIALS TO ALSO FELLMAN FOR DISTRIBUTION TO THE BOARD.

NOT ON TODAY'S POSTED AGENDA HOWEVER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OR ITS STAFF MAY BRIEFLY REPLY TO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS POSETO THE PUBLIC. AS OUR MEETING IS HANDLED IN THE PUBLIC, PLEASE BE MINDFUL AND MAKE YOUR COMMENTS FACTUAL AND OFFER THEM IN A RESPECTFUL MATTER.

THIS INCLUDES THE RIGHTS FOR OILTS OF STUDENTS TO REMAIN CONFIDENT. WE ASK THAT PRIVACY AND CONFIDENTIAL. ITY.

THE SPEAKER CARDS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED ONCE THE BOARD STARTS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AGENDA ITEM WITH THE FIRST SPEAKER.

AND WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENTER, CEAM KNIGHT.

KELLY KNIGHT. >> OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. I ACTUALLY ATTENDED THE MEETING YESTERDAY, WITH SEDAC WHERE I ONLY HAD THREE MINUTES BUT I AM HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT YOUR SURVEY.

THE BOARD IS FOCUSED ON ACHIEVEMENT OF ALL STUDENTS.

I DISAGREE. SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS AT SICK MORE CANYON ARE BEING TREATED VERY BADLY.

FIVE DIFFERENT PARENTS, I'M ONE OF THEM, HAVE 5 OF THEIR CHILDREN BEING TREATED BADLY AT SICK MORE -- SYCAMORE CAB I DON'T KNOW. THEY COULDN'T DEAL ANYMORE WITH

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THEREFORE, THE BOARD IS NOT FOCUSED ON THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF ALL STUDENTS, BECAUSE MY SON IS ONE OF THE STUDENTS, AND THEREFORE, HE'S SUFFERING AND THEREFORE, THIS SHOULD NOT BE GREEN. THIS SHOULD BE PARTIAL JUST TO DEMONSTRATE THAT MY SON AND FOUR OTHER STUDENTS IN SYCAMORE CANYON ARE NOT ACHIEVING LIKE ALL OTHER STUDENTS BECAUSE THEIR NEEDS ARE NOT BEING ACCOMMODATED.

NONE 3 ON BOARD UNITY. THE BOARD STATES FOCUSED ON DISTRICT PRIORITIES, SPECIAL EDUCATION, HAS TO BE PRIORITIZED. SYCAMORE CANYON IS NOT PRIORITIZED. SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS, SYCAMORE CANYON ENGAGES IN BEHAVIOR THAT MAKES FAMILIES AND STUDENTS WANT TO LEAVE THE SCHOOL.

THE BOARD MUST BE FOCUSED ON THIS PRIORITY OF INCLUDING SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS, NOT JUST PER THEIR IEP OR FIVE OF FOUR BUT BASICALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE HUMIDITY AND THEY HAVE DIFFICULTIES AND THEY NEED HELP. AND LEGALLY THEY SHOULD GET IT AND THEY ARE NOT GETTING IT. THEY ARE BEING TARGETED BULLIED AND HUMILIATED BY THE STAFF OF SYCAMORE CANYON.

NUMBER 5. THE BOARD COMMITS THE TIME TO BECOME INFORMED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME FOR BEING INFORMED BY KELLY KNIGHT TODAY ABOUT THE BEHAVIOR OF SYCAMORE CANYON AND THEIR STAFF HEADED BY THE PRINCIPAL MR. HADEEN WHO KNOWS ABOUT EVERYTHING, MS. SPINEX WHO KNOWS ABOUT EVERYTHING, MS. VIDO WHO KNOWS ABOUT EVERYTHING AND MR. JAN SANDLER WHO NOW KNOWS ABOUT EVERYTHING YET CONTINUED TO SAY THAT THEY WANT TO HELP MY SON.

AND OTHER STUDENTS. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING INFORMED TODAY THAT SO MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. KNIGHT.

[A. Board Self-Evaluation]

WE ARE NOT BOUND BY TRADITION AS WE HAVE NOT DONE THIS BEFORE IN MY TIME. I'M NOT SURE WHEN IT WAS DONE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO INVENT THE RULES TODAY TOGETHER FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO CONDUCT THIS STUDY SESSION.

I THINK THAT THIS WAS FOR ME A GREAT EXERCISE.

JUST READING THROUGH AND REFLECTING ON MY ANSWER TO ALL OF THE 58 QUESTIONS WAS A GREAT WAY TO THINK DEEPLY ABOUT THE ROLE OF TRUSTEE, THE WORK THAT WE ENGAGE IN TOGETHER, I THINK IT'S REALLY USEFUL TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS PERIODICALLY.

I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A LEARNING EXERCISE AND I'M THINKING AS WE GO THROUGH IT THAT LEARNING REQUIRES VULNERABILITY, AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS COMFORTABLE.

AND -- BUT OUR STUDENTS PLACE THEMSELVES IN THAT VULNERABLE PLACE EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND OUR TEACHERS PROVIDE AN IN WHICH OF TRUST IN WHICH THEY CAN FEEL VULNERABLE AND ENGAGED IN DEEP LEARNING. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS I'M THINKING THAT OUR STUDENTS GO THROUGH THIS EVERY DAY.

AND THIS IS GOOD FOR US TO SOMETIMES FEEL A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT IT WON'T ALL BE UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME SUCCESSES THAT WE CAN CELEBRATE ALONG THE WAY. BEFORE WE JUST JUMP INTO THE MEAT OF THE EXERCISE IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK OF JUST THE ACTIVITY OR HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONDUCT THIS

SESSION, ANYTHING AT ALL? >> I JUST THOUGHT I'D CHIME IN AND SAY THAT I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE DOING THIS.

I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO -- I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THIS AS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE AND I THINK FOR ME, BEING -- I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY I'M NEW ANYMORE BUT I'M A NEWER BOARD MEMBER.

IT HASN'T BEEN A YEAR YET. SO I'M STILL NEW FOR ANOTHER MONTH. YOU KNOW, I ON A LOT OF THESE NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THEM BUT WHEN YOU SEE A LOWER SCORE, MANY

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AND I THINK THOSE RANKINGS WERE THE MOST LIKELY BECAUSE I HADN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OR EXPERIENCE TO SEE THEM YET.

SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO MAYBE GETTING -- HEARING ABOUT THEM TODAY, PAIN THINGS I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING OR HAVEN'T NOTICED IT BUT MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER. SO AGAIN I WOULD JUST SAY TOO, THINKING BIT ALSO AS YOU DID PRESIDENT GILL, OUR ANSWERS AND KIND OF A ROLE OF THE BOARD AND THINKING THROUGH, ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT ABOUT TOO IS HOW DIFFERENTLY WE CALL CAME INTO THIS ROLE. I THINK ABOUT YOU KNOW TRUSTEE GORBACK AND TRUSTEE GOLDBERG JOINING THE BOARD AS A GROUP OF THREE AND BECOMING A BOARD MAJORITY AND HOW THAT KIND OF WENT DOWN. I THINK ABOUT TRUSTEE SILVER TER AND PRESIDENT GYM COMING TOGETHER DURING A PANDEMIC AND YOU WERE GRAPPLING WITH THAT. THE TRAINING THAT EACH OF US GOT ON THE WAY. I COME ON MYSELF AS LONELILY KIND OF SAD, NO I'M JUST KIDDING.

ANYWAY WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT LENSES SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL.

>> ANYBODY ELSE, GENERAL COMMENTS? OKAY, LET'S DIVE IN. SO THE SELF EVALUATION TOUR IS -- TOOL IS BROKEN INTO TWO BROAD CATEGORIES.

THE FIRST IS CONDITIONS OF EFFECTIVE GOVERNANCE AND THEN IT'S FURTHER BROKEN DOWN INTO CATEGORIES.

THE SECOND IS BOARD RESPONSIBILITIES.

SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH CONDITIONS OF EFFECTIVE GOVERNANCE.

AND TALK ABOUT THESE IN GROUPS I THINK IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. SO THE FIRST SET OF QUESTIONS ARE ON BOARD UNITY. AND SIX QUESTIONS ON BOARD UNITY, AND THERE IS AGREEMENT ON PRETTY MUCH ALL.

THE ONE THAT IS SORT OF AN OUTLIER IS THE BOARD IS COMMITTED TO A COMMON VISION. AND MAYBE THIS IS -- MAYBE THIS IS RELATED TRUSTEE POWELL TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST DESCRIBING IN TERMS OF LENGTH OF SERVICE ON THE BOARD AND DIFFERENT CONDITIONS UPON ENTERING. ANYBODY WANT TO REMARK ON THAT, OR ANY OF THE OTHERS? AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THE WAY THAT YOU VOTED IN PARTICULAR, THAT'S OF COURSE WELCOME.

BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO. EVEN THE MOST POSITIVE RANKING IS ALMOST ALWAYS. SO THERE'S AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT WHEN YOU FILL THIS OUT THAT NOBODY IS PERFECT.

SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU SELECTED ALMOST ALWAYS FOR ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS, THAT LEAVES ROOM FOR GROWTH RIGHT THERE.

SO FEEL FREE TO WEIGH IN REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU ANSWERED.

BUT ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT BOARD UNITY IN ANY

OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THERE? >> SO YOU MENTIONED THAT NUMBER 2 THERE WAS A NOT SURE, WHICH YES, IT WAS ME.

AND THE ONLY REASON, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT -- I DON'T QUESTION -- I ACTUALLY FEEL VERY LUCKY TO HAVE JOINED A BOARD WHERE I THINK THE FIVE OF US ARE ON MANY ISSUES VERY MUCH IN TUNE.

WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTE AND STUDENTS AND SCHOOLS AND VISION, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK OF SIMILARITIES, THE WAY WE ENVISION THINGS.

BUT IN TERMS OF HAVING A VERY CLEAR VISION STATEMENT, IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE. THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE.

I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME THINGS KIND OF CODIFIED IN BOARD BYLAWS AND SUCH THAT WERE LAST DONE A LONG TIME AGO.

AND SO I THINK THE REASON I PUT NOT SURE IS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THAT. THAT MAYBE THERE IS NOT A CLEAR VISION STATEMENT THAT WE WORK FROM.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEVELOP ONE?

>> YEAH. >> OKAY.

>> I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO. >> WOULD WE ALL AGREE THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A PROPOSED VISION STATEMENT IF ONE CAME BEFORE US? YES, OKAY. ALL RIGHT THERE'S YOUR FIRST HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN ON BOARD UNITY? OKAY LET'S MOVE ON TO RULES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CATEGORY TO UNDERSTAND. SO THERE'S LESS UNIFORMITY IN

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IS SO MAYBE THAT MEANS THERE'S SOME MEAT FOR DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT HOW WE INDIVIDUALLY AND AS A WORKING UNIT UNDERSTAND OUR ROLES. ANYBODY WANT TO JURCHLT ARE JUMP IN TO ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS HERE? I'M PARTICULARLY LOOKING AT 10 AND 11 WHERE THERE ARE SORT OF MIXED ANSWERS ACROSS THE BOARD. IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, THE RANKING SYSTEM GIVERS IS BUT THERE ARE SOME VARIATION HOW BOARD MEMBERS ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS.

(INAUDIBLE). >> UH-HUH, OKAY.

AND ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS RELATE TO HOW THE BOARD GIVES DIRECTION TO THE SUPERINTENDENT AND UNDERSTANDS OUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AS DICT FROM AND RELATED TO THE

SUPERINTENDENT. >> I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO -- I GUESS IT WOULD PROBABLY BE NUMBER 7, NUMBER 8.

I WAS THE NOT SURE. AND THE REASON I CHOSE TO ANSWER THAT WAY WAS BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A BOARD HANDBOOK OR ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT MIGHT REALLY CLEARLY LAY OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS. I THINK -- I THINK WE DO A GREAT JOB -- NUMBER 1 I THINK DR. MCLAUGHLIN DID A GREAT JOB OF ON BOARDING ME. LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS.

I'VE BEEN ASKED TO OF COURSE GO THROUGH NEW TRUSTEE MASTERS IN GOVERNANCE. I'M STARTING, I'M GOING INTO UNIT NUMBER 4 NEXT WEEK, WOOHOO, BUT I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY DECOMMITMENT TO WANTING BOARD MEMBERS TO BE TRAINED AND TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THESE RULES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AND MY BIAS IS I LIKE TO SEE THEM A LITTLE MORE FORMALIZED AND CODIFIED AND WRITTEN BECAUSE I THINK IT MAKES IT EVEN -- IT REALLY MAKES IT CLEAR FOR US AS MEMBERS COMING ON. AND THERE'S SUCH A NUMBER OF WAYS TO DO IT. I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR LIKE A 30 PAGE DOCUMENT THAT WE POST ON THE WEBSITE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT I THINK GETTING SOME THINGS INTO WRITING THAT WE ALL AGREE ON MIGHT BE HELPFUL ON JUST FORMALIZING SOME OF THESE

PROTOCOLS. >> WE USE OUR BOARD BYLAWS OF WHERE ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE CODIFIED FOR US.

JUST SO THAT ANYBODY WHO'S LISTENING DOESN'T THINK THERE IS NO DOCUMENTATION. BECAUSE THERE IS.

AND IT'S CONTAINED IN THE BOARD BYLAWS.

BUT THERE'S ROOM FOR MORE OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S A NEED. PERSONALLY I DON'T THINK THERE IS A NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS POSSIBLY DUPLICATIVE OF WHAT'S IN THE BOARD BYLAWS. THAT IS WHY WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT, IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW --

>> I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT BOARD BYLAW YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES -- SO THAT WAS -- WHEN WAS THAT LAST

REVISED? >> BECAUSE I JUST PULLED IT UP.

IT'S THE 9,000 BOARD BYLAWS AND THERE'S MULTIPLE POLICIES WITHIN THEM THAT HAVE PROBABLY BEEN REVISED AT VARIOUS TIMES.

AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A RICH SOURCE OF INFORMATION.

AND WOULD ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON CONDUCT.

>> YES AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT WE THINK ABOUT -- YOU KNOW, I KNOW AGAIN NOT NECESSARILY EVERYTHING THAT CSBA ADVISES US ON, WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE ON EVERYTHING THAT CSBA SUGGESTS. GUT HAVING A NEW BOARD MEMBER TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MIGHT NEED TO BE REVISED OR CHANGED OR SHIFT, IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY THINK IS IMPORTANT AND I

WOULD SUPPORT SUGGESTION. >> ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT I WAS ASSIGNED WHEN I CAME ON WHICH IS FIVE YEARS AGO, BY A FORMER BOARD MEMBER WHO I THINK WAS PRESIDENT AT THE TIME, I'M NOT SURE OR WAS IT YOU PRESIDENT? ANYWAY ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WAS ASSIGNED WAS TO UPDATE THE

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SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE UPDATED WITHIN THE

LAST FIVE YEARS, MANY OF THEM. >> MOST OF THEM DO SAY, SINCE I'M SCROLLING THROUGH THEM, 2019, THAT WOULD REFLECT YOUR

TIME ON THE BOARD. >> WE DID IT TOWARDS THE BEGINNING AND I PULLED ONE UP AND IT SAID 5-19.

THAT WAS THE LAST TIME WE DID IT.

>> LAST THREE BOARD MEETINGS WE'VE HAD BOARD BYLAW UPSTAIRS INTO THE 9,000S SO WE'RE GOING TO START SEEING SOME OF THOSE, MAJORITY OF THEM BACK TO THE 23 NOW GOING INTO THE 24 DATE.

SO WE'VE STARTED OUR CYCLE BACK THROUGH.

I MEAN THERE'S BEEN DEFINITELY SOME THAT OUTSIDE, AFTER 19 THAT WE'VE UPDATED BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHERI AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IS UPDATING AN GOING THROUGH ALL THE 9,000 BYLAWS.

>> THE FILLING VACANCIES WAS UPDATED AS ELECTRONIC

COMMUNICATION. >> OKAY.

I WANT TO CLARIFY 8, BOARD MEMBERS FOLLOW BOARD AGREEMENTS REGARDING SPEAKING FOR BOARD. SO IT'S REFLECTED IN OUR BYLAWS AN IT'S SPOKEN ABOUT IN THE CRS IN THECSBA TRAINING, THAT THE BD PRESIDENT IS SPOKESPERSON FOR BOARD.

I MAY HAVE SAID INDIVIDUALLY OR I DON'T KNOW, WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT IT BUT THE -- I THINK THAT'S A GOOD A RESULT TO FOLLOW.

BUT I WOULD NEVER DISCOURAGE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS FROM SPEAKING. WHAT I DO IS CHECK IN WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT BEFORE I RELEASE SOMETHING TO THE PRESS JUST BECAUSE ACCURACY OF INFORMATION THAT'S COMING UP THAT REFLECTS ON THE ENTIRE DISTRICT IS ABSOLUTELY PARAMOUNT.

SO THERE WAS SOME VARIATION HOW FOLKS ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION FROM MY

PERSPECTIVE. >> I WANT TO ADD, YOU KNOW WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOW WELL CSBA TRAINS US FREQUENTLY.

I ALSO WANT TO ADD BAW BECAUSE I CAN REMEMBER DISTINCTLY AT VCSBA, VENTURA COUNTY, I KNOW THEY SPECIFICALLY SAY, ONCE THE BOARD VOTES ON SOMETHING YOU MAY ADAMANTLY DISAGREE BUT THEN YOU SAY THE VOTE HAS BOARDED, THE BOARD HAS CONCLUDED, THE BOARD HAS CONSENSUS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

BUT YOU DON'T SPEAK I FELT THIS WAY BUT THE BOARD DISAGREES.

SO I MEAN YES, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, PRESIDENT GILL, THE BEST THING TO DO IS LET THE BOARD PRESIDENT, SPEAKER, SPEAK FOR THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE. WHAT WE DO.

>> THIS IS THE ONES WRITE WAS A LITTLE BIT LESS CERTAIN ABOUT.

BECAUSE I DO THINK SOMETIMES THE PRESS MIGHT REACH OUT TO INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS AND I DO AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE RUN THROUGH DR. MCLAUGHLIN OR THE BOARD PRESIDENT.

I WAS LEFT UNCERTAIN AS HOW THAT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRED.

I AGREE THAT SHOULD BE THE POLICY THOUGH.

>> I THINK THE BOARD POLICY NOTES THAT ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IF THEY SPEAK WITH MEDIA AND IT'S A PERSONAL TAKE, ON A TOPIC, THEY'D NEED TO NOTE THAT IT IS A PERSONAL VIEW AND NOT A VIEW OF THE BOARD. I JUST READ THAT THIS MORNING.

>> THAT'S HELPFUL. >> OKAY.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT 10 AND 11, INCLUDING YOU DR. MCLAUGHLIN, 96 YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE THERE WAS VARIATION IN THE RESPONSES.

>> FOR ME, I TRY TO HAVE, THROUGH BOARD ACTION OF THE BOARD WORK OFF OF CONSENSUS ON THAT.

I MEAN ULTIMATELY, COMMUNITY MEMBERS GO TO INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS AND IN TURN WILL COME TO ME IF THERE'S AN ISSUE ON A SCHOOL SITE AND I WILL BRING THAT ISSUE TO INSTRUCTIONAL SERVICES OR STUDENTS BOARD SERVICES, HR, BUSINESS SERVICES AND OR THE SCHOOL SITE ADMINISTRATION TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS CONCERN CAME IN. VERY SELDOM WILL I DIRECT THE STAFF TO MAKE OR ADMINISTRATION ON THE SCHOOL SITE TO MAKE A CHANGE BASED ON FEED BACK THAT JUST BRING IT TO THEIR KNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A CONCERN OUT THERE.

MAYBE THAT DOES LEAD TO A CHANGE IN A DISTRICT PRACTICE OR PROTOCOL OR SCHOOL SITE PROTOCOL.

BUT MOST OF THE TIME DIRECTION COMES FROM OUR BOARD THROUGH BOARD ACTION, UNLESS THERE IS A COMMUNITY CONCERN THAT COMES IN, WOULD BE THE ONLY TIME THAT I COULD THINK THAT THAT MIGHT LOOK

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CORRECTLY. >> I THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR US TO CLARIFY THESE THINGS.

ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE'S SOME UNCERTAINTY.

JUST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN ABOUT IT AS A GROUP IN THE SITUATION LIKE THIS, SO THAT'S I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE.

OKAY SO THE TAKE AWAY FROM THIS ROALTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES SECTION IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE GOING THROUGH THOSE BOARD BYLAWS AND UPDATING THEM. AND IF THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL BOARD BYLAWS THAT MEMBERS FEEL LIKE SHOULD BE PUSHED TO THE TOP OF OUR PRIORITY LIST YOU KNOW PLEASE MAKE US ALL AWARE OF THAT

SO WE CAN DO IT. >> YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT TAKE AWAY AND JUST REALLY BEING COMMITTED TO REVISITING AND HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS WHEN WE CAN.

>> PERFECT. OKAY.

BOARD CULTURE. PRETTY CONSISTENT.

ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THESE INDIVIDUAL SIX QUESTIONS OR TOPICS THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON? IS THERE A PLACE WHERE WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION WHILE WE'RE

ALL TOGETHER HERE? >> I WOULD JUST COMMENT, AND THIS IS SORT OF ALIGNED WITH YOU KNOW JUST SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I FOUND, OF COURSE BEING VERY CLOSING TO THE ONBOARDING PROCESS AND BEING NEWER I KNOW THAT CSBA IN OUR GOVERNANCE TRAINING AND WORK ONE OF THE THINGS THEY REALLY EMPHASIZE IS CODIFYING NORMS. YOU KNOW JUST OUR BOARD NORMS. SO THAT NUMBER 14, YOU KNOW, SEEMED TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT.

THAT'S BECAUSE I SAID NOT SURE. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED THE FIVE OF US IN TERMS OF NORMS.

>> DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION? >> WELL, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW -- YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY LIKE A BOARD RETREAT IS WHEN THIS KIND OF THING WOULD BE TALKED ABOUT WHERE WE COME TOGETHER AND WE DISCUSS AND WE CREATE OUR GROUP NORMS TOGETHER. AND SOME BOARDS THEY READ OUT

THOSE NORMS. >> PICTURE US IN HAWAII RIGHT

NOW. >> I'M DOING IT, I'M CLOSING MY

EYES. >> THIS IS AS RETREATED AS WE'RE GOING TO GET. SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT,

THIS IS THE PLACE RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY, HOLD ON A SECOND, LET ME LOOK AT MY -- I'M GLAD TO SEE WE ALL DR. MCLAUGHLIN IN THAT RESPECT, WHETHER HE THINKS THAT IS TRUE?

>> THERE WOULD BE SIX GREENS ON THAT ONE.

>> SO JUST IN REGARD TO NORMS, I MEAN I'LL JUST THROW OUT, THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE OF ONE DISTRICT THAT I THINK ACTUALLY CSBA IN THEIR TRAINING DID PRESENT TO US DID PRESENT TO US AS AN IDEAL SET OF NORMS. I BOOKED MARKED THEM, WE RESPECT AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER, WE COMMUNICATE OPENLY, WE FOCUS ON THE NEEDS OF THE WHOLE DISTRICT, WE WELCOME INPUT, WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE RISKS FOR CHILDREN, WE LISTEN WITH OUR HEARTS, WE TAKE OUR RESPONSIBILITIES SIERLZ BUT NOT OURSELVES.

I MEAN THERE IS A MILLION EXAMPLES THAT WE COULD COME UP

WITH THAT MEAN SOME TO US. >> HOW DO YOU FEEL WE SCORE ON

THE THINGS YOU JUST ENUMERATED? >> I THINK THESE FOR THE MOST PART FIT US AND ARE THINGS THAT I'M GUESSING -- I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER FOUR OF YOU BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ALL COULD SUBSCRIBE TO AND STRIFE FOR AS .

>> I MEAN JUST LISTENING TO THE LIST TO ME ITS SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST CODIFYING AND WRITING DOWN AT LEAST WHAT I THINK I DO AND WHAT THE REST OF THE BOARD DOES. I'M NOT AGAINST HAVING THAT WRITTEN DOWN SOMEPLACE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE -- I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THAT.

WOULD THAT CHANGE ANY OF OUR ACTIONS AND BEHAVIORS BY HAVING THAT WRITTEN SOMEPLACE? IS REALLY THE QUESTION.

>> I SO REMEMBER ONE TIME WHEN MY OPINION WAS -- LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY -- LESS THAN POPULAR. IN OTHER WORDS IT WAS 1 TO 4.

BUT I CAME AWAY FROM THAT DISCUSSION FEELING VERY

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YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I FELT LIKE THERE WAS MUTUALLY RESPECT.

-- MUTUAL RESPECT. >> JUST ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE 9,000 BYLAWS.

THE ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO BOARD POLICIES IS SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY DO NEED SOME UPDATING AND I WILL NOTE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BOARDS, MISSION STATEMENTS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, THOSE ARE ESSENTIAL TO THOSE, SOME OF THOSE STATEMENTS WITHIN THOSE BYLAWS OR IN THOSE BOARD POLICIES.

SO JUST NOTE, THAT THAT IS I THINK SOMEWHERE WHERE THIS DISCUSSION LIES IS IN THE THOUSAND'S OR THE 0000'S, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRST BOARD PHILOSOPHY GOALS FOR THE DISTRICT WHILE WE HAVE I THINK EXTENSIVE GOALS MEETING IN MAY EVERY YEAR, THERE IS DEFINITELY SOME LANGUAGE IN THAT POLICY THAT TALKS ABOUT MISSION, VISION, NORMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO -- AND I WILL GO BACK TO THE STATEMENT AND OBVIOUSLY I'M JUST A SUPERINTENDENT WITH SOME BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF BOARD HANDBOOK WAS BROUGHT FORWARD AND THE DISTRICT AT ONE POINT IN TIME YEARS AGO, DID HAVE A BOARD HANDBOOK.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS AND SOME ATTEMPTS TO UPDATE IT BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN THERE AND I THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS SO FAR INTO THIS CONVERSATION WOULD FALL WITHIN THAT HANDBOOK. SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, AND AS WE CONSIDER FURTHER CONVERSATIONS OF A HANDBOOK THAT AT ONE TIME DID MEET I THINK THIS REQUEST BUT

ALSO IN THE 0000 BOARD POLICIES. >> OKAY, I THINK THE FINAL THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT -- OH SORRY, GO AHEAD.

>> JUST TO NOTE. I PULLED.THE LAST ONE PHILOSOPHY, IT'S PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE, IT WAS LAST UPDATED IN '08. BUT IT LIKELY NEEDS TWEAKING.

>> I THINK OUR LANGUAGE HAS EVOLVED.

THE SECOND, GOALS FOR THE DISTRICT, THOSE I THINK FOR

CERTAIN -- >> WE SHOULD PROBABLY BRING THEM

BACK. >> I AGREE.

I READ THAT POLICY RECENTLY WITH AN EYE TO -- THAT YES, WE DO HAVE A BROAD AGREEMENT WITH WHAT IT SAYS BUT THAT WE COULD SAY IT IN A WAY THAT MORE REFLECTS OUR PRESENT CULTURE.

YES, TOTALLY AGREE SO MAYBE WE PRIORITIZE BRINGING THAT ONE OF

FORWARD. >> JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THEY ARE UPDATED AND READY TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.

JUST WAITING FOR THIS CONVERSATION TODAY TO SEE WHERE IT WENT SO THAT WE CAN PLACE IT ON STARTING IN PROBABLY

0000'S COME TOWARD. >> SO SPEAKING OF THAT, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, AND AGAIN, THE HANDBOOK WAS MENTIONED, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO WORK ON HANDBOOK UPDATES WITH ME? OKAY. LET'S START WITH THE POLICIES THAT WE'VE FLAGGED AND SEE IF THAT GETS US WHERE WE NEED TO GO. AND IF NOT WE'LL JUST GO FURTHER. IS THAT FAIR? WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, UPDATINGS THE PHILOSOPHY AND OTHER POLICIES TO BRING THE LANGUAGE INTO FOCUS WITH WHAT WT NOW. AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S INSUFFICIENT THAT WE NEED MORE THEN WE CAN DO THE BOARD

HANDBOOK CONVERSATION AGAIN. >> YEAH, NO, THAT'S GOOD.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, CODIFYING THESE THINGS IS IMPORTANT.

KEEPING THEM UPDATED IS IMPORTANT.

BUT SO MUCH OF IT IS THE PROCESS OF UPDATINGS, IT'S THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPEN. AND WE MAY ALL THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW UNTIL WE TALK ABOUT IT. AND IT CHANGES EVERY SINGLE TIME WE GET A NEW PERSON ON THE BOARD.

>> I LITERALLY DON'T WANT TO OVERSPEAK ON THIS TOPIC.

BUT I THINK IN A HANDBOOK PERSPECTIVE, THE REALITY IS I'VE BEEN IN THE DISTRICT 11 YEARS AND HAVE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. AND I KNOW HOW WE WORK THINGS HERE AND OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BOARD.

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AND TO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR A SUPERINTENDENT WHO IS NEW AND OR NEW BOARD MEMBERS COMING IN TO BE ABLE TO PINPOINT TO AN UP TO DATE HANDBOOK TO BE HONEST I THINK THAT'S THE BEST APPROACH IN THINKING INTO THE FUTURE. WHILE I THINK THE BOARD BYLAWS LAY OUT A LOT OF THAT, I THINK THE DOCUMENT FOR SOMEBODY NEW TO THIS POSITION OR SOMEBODY NEW TO YOUR POSITIONS, TO BE ABLE TO SAY OH HERE IT IS ON PAGE 12 OF THE HANDBOOK, WE, YOU KNOW, BLAH BLAH BLAH. I DO THINK THERE IS SOME BENEFIT TO IT. SO I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO OVERSPEAK BUT THERE IS SOME VALUE IN FUTURE PLANNING FOR A HANDBOOK IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT ON.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY REALLY IMPORTANT.

>> REMIND ME IF ONE HAS EVER EXISTED OR IS THERE A DROP SOMEWHERE OR WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT? PAT PHELPS WHEN SHE WAS ON THE BOARD THEY PUT ONE TOGETHER.

WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE BOARD, JENNY FITZGERALD AND I WESH GOING TO TAKE A STAB AT IT BUT REALIZED THE SITUATION WAS NOT GOING TO FLY. SO WE TABLED IT FOR A WHILE.

SO -- >> SO FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, BECAUSE I HEAR WHAT DR. MCLAUGHLIN IS SAYING ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE HANDBOOK AND EVERYTHING IN ONE PLACE, DOES IT FIRST MAKE SENSE TO UPDATE THE BYLAWS AS WE DISCUSSED AND USE THAT AS A SPRINGBOARD TO PUT TOGETHER A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, MAYBE NOT MORE COMPREHENSIVE, BUT SEE WHERE THE GAPS ARE AND PUTTING IT IN ONE PLACE, EVEN THOUGH IT IS POINTING TO OUR

POLICIES? >> I LIKE THAT APPROACH.

>> UH-HUH. >> YES, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT. I MEAN WE ALL WANT IT TO BE CONSISTENT AND ALIGNED, RIGHT? I ALSO JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON THE IDEA OF THE HANDBOOK IDEA AND I KNOW WE HAVE AGAIN THESE, YOU KNOW, POLICIES WE'RE GOING TO BE UPDATING BUT I KNOW I THINK ALL 5 OF US ARE COMMITTED TO BEING REALLY TRANSPARENT AND OPEN. I FIND OUGHT THE TIME THAT OUR PUBLIC, OUR COMMUNITY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE ROLE OF THE BOARD. AND SO THAT MAYBE NOT BE SOMETHING WE CAN EVER FULLY SOLVE, I GET THAT.

IT IS A COMPLEX GOVERNANCE KIND OF STRUCTURE.

BUT THIS KIND OF THING, HAVING SOMETHING THAT MAYBE CAN BE JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEARER. WHAT OUR ROLE IS HERE.

AND WHAT WE DO. >> YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT IN THAT I THINK SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IF WE -- I KNOW SPECIFICALLY I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF SOMETHING DURING A CONTROVERSIAL PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION OF MY BEHAVIOR.

AND ALTHOUGH WAS PUT ACROSS THAT I WAS DOING SOMETHING EXTREMELY BAD, THEN I LOOKED AND SAID WELL ACCORDING TO THE VENTURA COUNTY SBA I'M DOING A GOOD JOB, BECAUSE I WASN'T RESPONDING IN A WAY WHICH BRINGS OUT THE FACT THAT THE COMMUNITY IS NOT TRAINED ON OUR ROLE AND WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

AND I THINK WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A BENEFICIAL PART OF US TALKING ABOUT OUR ROLE A LITTLE BIT.

>> OKAY. SO WE'RE AGREED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN THIS PROCESS BY UPDATING SOME OF THE BOARD BYLAWS, THAT ARE THE BACKBONE OF THE WAY THE BOARD FUNCTIONS.

AND THAT ULTIMATELY WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE OR UPDATE A BOARD HANDBOOK. SO THAT ANYONE WHO'S COMING TO THIS BODY NEW OR ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO IS JUST QUESTIONING, WILL HAVE AN EASY PLACE TO GO TO GET THOSE ANSWERS.

GREAT, PERFECT. OKAY THEN UNLESS ANYONE OBJECTS WE'LL MOVE ON TO BOARD OPERATIONS.

THREE FOUR FIVE SIX SEVEN QUESTIONS ABOUT BOARD OPERATIONS. SO I WANT TO ASK ABOUT WHERE THERE'S SOME VARIATION, THE RESPONSES IN THE MIDDLE HERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON BOARD MEMBERS RECEIVE ADEQUATE INFORMATION, ALL BOARD MEMBERS RECEIVE THE SAME INFORMATION. WHAT DO WE WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT? EN THE POSITIVE SIDE.

BECAUSE I FEEL I RECEIVE AN ABUNDANCE OF INFORMATION, EVERY SUNDAY THE BOARD REPORT HITS MY E-MAIL AND I'M LIKE OH I GOT TO GO LOOK AT THIS NOW. SO I DO FEEL THAT -- AND ANY QUESTIONS WE ALL HAVE WE GET RESPONSES.

SO I FEEL, I DO RECEIVE MORE THAN ADEQUATE INFORMATION.

AS FAR AS DO WE ALL GET THE SAME INFORMATION TOO, BUT I -- THAT'S

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MY VIEW OF IT. >> YES, I THINK MY RESPONSE ON THIS IS PROBABLY JUST INTAIFL OE OF ME BEING NEW, I THINK DR. MCLAUGHLIN IS AMAZING IN ENSURING THAT WE ARE ALL GETTING THE SAME INFORMATION AND MESSAGING FROM HIM AND THE BOARD REPORTS ARE AMAZING. I THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WAS TOLD SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THAT KIND OF THE ADD ANNAL OF WHAT ONE OF US KNOWS, ALL OF US KNOWS AND I KNOW THAT'S A CHALLENGE GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE BROWN ACT AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN'S BE SHARING INFORMATION AMONGST OURSELVES, EXCEPT DURING BOARD MEETINGS.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF -- THERE'S BEEN A FEW TIMES WHEN SOMETIMES SOMETHING HAS COME UP DURING A BOARD MEETING THAT WELT I THOI I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I THINK I ANSWERED THAT I'M NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR THAT I AM INDEED GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IT IS PARTICULARLY ADEQUATE INFORMATION LIKE TRUSTEE SYLVESTER.

I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT'S WORDED IS ALMOST COMICAL BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH MORE THAN ADEQUATE, I THINK OF OTHER SUPERINTENDENTS AROUND THE STATE SAW WHAT WE GET, OTHER SUPERINTENDENTS IN OTHER BOARDS SAW WHAT WE GET EVERY SUNDAY THEY ARE GOING TO SAY OH MY GOD. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'S MUCH MORE THAN ADEQUATE AND I THINK YOU DO A GREAT JOB OF COMMUNICATING WITH US.

>> THAT'S THE STAFF AND THEIR WORK DURING THE WEEK OF NOTING IMPORTANT STUFF FOR ALL OF YOU. I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I DO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT IF A QUESTION IS ASKED, I DON'T OUT THE BOARD MEMBER WHO ASKS THE QUESTION AND I RESPOND BACK WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED IN THAT RESPONSE.

I MEAN ONE OF I THINK I PRIDE MYSELF ON MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION.

THERE ARE I THINK GAPS WITHIN BOARD AND COMMUNICATION WITH PARTICULAR STAFF ON CAMPUS, TEACHERS, CLASSIFIED STAFF THAT THERE IS NO WAY FOR ME TO CONTROL THAT.

I CAN ONLY CONTROL THE INFORMATION COMING OUT OF DISTRICT STAFF, MY OFFICE TO ALL OF YOU.

WHAT I CAN'T CONTROL IS THE KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION AND REQUESTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT YOU'RE INVITED TO THROUGH INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES. BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NEVER BEEN THE STRUCTURE HERE OF SAYING IF YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE AND YOU NEED TO ENGAGE WITH A BOARD MEMBER YOU GOT TO WORK THAT THROUGH SUPERINTENDENT'S OFFICE. I WOULD NEVER REQUEST THAT.

I'VE WORKED IN A STRUCTURE WHERE THAT WAS IN PLACE AND IT DID NOT GO WELL. AND I WOULD NEVER -- I WOULD NEVER PUT OUR EMPLOYEES NOR OUR BOARD IN THAT SITUATION.

SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL AS A SUPERINTENDENT AND STAFF THAT MAYBE KNOWLEDGE IS BUILT IN OTHER AREAS FOR BOARD MEMBERS JUST BECAUSE OF INTERACTION AND FEEDBACK FROM STAFF. AND PARENTS AS WELL.

>> I THINK ANOTHER STRENGTH THAT EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING IN A DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, STAFF, THAT WHEN THERE'S A COMMUNICATION ISSUE THAT COMES UP WHETHER IT BE WITH US, WHETHER IT BE WITH THE COMMUNITY THROUGH DAX AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WITHIN MINUTES IT LSMS SEEMS I WON'T GO INTO RECENT EXAMPLES BUT WITHIN MINUTES IT SEEMS YOU'RE SAYING WELL I WILL MEET WITH THIS STAFF MEMBER, THAT STAFF MEMBER AND HAVE AN ANSWER TO YOU BY THE END OF -- AND DO YOU.

WHICH I THANK -- WHICH I HAVE TO THANK NOT ONLY YOU BUT THE STAFF MEMBERS THEMSELVES FOR BEING SO PROMPT TO GET BACK TO YOU.

SO THANK YOU STAFF AS WELL. >> JUST BACK TO THE BOARD REPORT FOR A SECOND. AND THE TIMING OF THE BOARD REPORT. BECAUSE I FEEL EVERY SUNDAY WHEN I GET THAT E-MAIL I FEEL REALLY BAD THAT IT'S A SUNDAY, AND THAT I REALLY HOPE THAT OUR STAFF IS NOT SENDING IT TO YOU AND THEY'RE NOT WORKING ON SUNDAYS AN THAT YOU'RE NOT -- THAT YOU'RE JUST WAITING TO PUSH SEND ON SUNDAY AND YOU'RE NOT WORKING

MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO. >> THAT COMES RIGHT AFTER

(INAUDIBLE). >> SO USUALLY LATELY BEFORE.

SO OUR BOARD REPORT JUST FOR SOME BACKGROUND IS BUILT, EVERYTHING COMES INTO SHERI MONDAY OR TUESDAY OF EACH WEEK.

THAT INFORMATION IS THEN BUILT BY SHERI THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE WEEK. IT USUALLY LANDS IN MY IN BOX

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SO REALLY STAFF, FOR THE MOST PART, I WOULDN'T -- WOULD NEVER EXPECT THEM TO DO ANY WORK ON SUNDAY BUT THAT'S FOR ME, IS I NEED SOME TIME AWAY FROM FRIDAY AFTERNOONS, AND TRYING TO PUSH OUT A BOARD REPORT. BECAUSE A LOT OF SUPERINTENDENTS DO THEIR BOARD REPORTS ON FRIDAY.

AND FOR ME, THERE IS A LOT COMING IN FOR FRIDAY, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO GAMES AND EVENTS ON FRIDAY AND I JUST PEOPLE SUNDAY IS A BETTER WAY OF ME TO WORK AFTER COFFEE AND HOPEFULLY THE COWBOYS WIN OR THINKING THEY'RE GOING TO WIN AND WORK THROUGH THAT AN HOUR BEFORE OR AFTER THE GAME.

>> THAT'S HELPFUL AS LONG AS IT WORKS FOR YOU, THEN OKAY.

BUT I JUST WOULD HATE FOR EVERYBODY TO BE WORKING WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO.

>> SO JUST TO CONTINUE ON THIS POINT, AND WHAT DR. MCLAUGHLIN SAID, I AGREE THE COMMUNICATION THAT COMES FROM HIM, IS OVER THE TOP THOROUGH AND ALL OF THAT. I WAS REFLECTING ON WHERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE MAYBE I FELT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN INFORMATION.

AND I THINK ONE OF THEM IS MAYBE LIKE THE COMMITTEE WORK THAT EACH OF US DOES. MAYBE FEELING LIKE I DON'T ALWAYS GET -- AND I KNOW FOLKS NEED TO UNDERSTAND LIKE AGAIN WE'RE NOT COMMUNICATING THIS STUFF OUTSIDE OF BOARD MEETINGS.

AND SO I KNOW SOMETIMES THERE'S MENTION IN THE -- IN OUR INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS LIKE OH YEAH I WENT TO THIS MEETING.

AND MAYBE IT'S LIKE A SENTENCE OR TWO.

AND MAYBE FOR ME AND THIS MAYBE SOMETHING I CAN'T GET MORE INFORMATION I JUST HAVE TO GET OVER IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW TIMES WHERE I REALLY WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE KNOWN MORE ABOUT MAYBE WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT MEETING AND GET MORE INFORMATION ON IT.

THERE'S BEEN SOME INITIATIVES THAT HAVE HAPPENED THAT I'VE BEEN ON COMMITTEES THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED WITH.

SO I DON'T KNOW IN THERE IS AN EASY WAY TO DO MORE OF THAT COMMUNICATING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT.

BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE TIMES IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR ALL OF US TO KNOW.

WHETHER IT'S THE LCAP BUDGET MEETING OR MEASURE I OR WHATEVER. I THINK THAT'S A KEY MEASURE FOR ME THAT I FEEL LIKE I'VE MISSED OUT ON GETTING INFORMATION.

>> I HEAR THAT. I DO TRY TO BECAUSE I DO SIT ON THE BUDGET LCAP COMMITTEE, TRY TO BRING THAT IN.

I COULD DO A MORE THOROUGH JOB. THE MEASURE I COMMITTEE, JUST TO CLARIFY, NO BOARD MEMBERS SIT ON THAT.

IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING, THE ONLY TIME I'VE BEEN THERE I'VE BEEN COMPLETELY AS AN OBSERVER. WE CAN ALL GO TO THOSE MEETINGS SAME THING AS WE ALL GO TO A SEDAC MEETING OR DAC MEETING.

THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS I WILL GET PARENTS, TEACHERS, WHATEVER THAT KNOW THAT I'M -- MY KIDS ALL WENT TO WESTLAKE HIGH SCHOOL, THAT'S MY TRUSTEE AREA, I MAY GET AN ISSUE GOING ON AT A SPECIFIC SCHOOL SITE IN THAT AREA.

I MIGHT THEN TALK TO DR. MCLAUGHLIN ABOUT IT, IT MAY GET EVOLVE EVO RESOLVED OR T RESOLVED.

I CAN SEE THAT BEING AN AREA. >> THAT ACTUALLY BRINGS UP A REALLY INTERESTING POINT. MY UNDERSTANDING OF OUR AREAS IS

THAT, THAT'S JUST FOR VOTING. >> CORRECT.

BUT I -- BUT TO CLARIFY, YES, AND I VIEW MY ROAM HERE AS BEING PART OF A UNIFIED DISTRICT. THERE ARE PARENTS, THERE ARE TEACHERS WHO REACH OUT ONLY TO ME AND NOT NECESSARILY -- SOMETIMES WE GET E-MAILS AND IT GOES TO EVERYONE ON THE BOARD.

SOMETIMES I GET E-MAILS AND IT'S JUST GOING TO ME.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

NOT THAT I'M DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY OR HANDLING IT DIFFERENTLY BUT I'M RECEIVING THE INFORMATION THAT THE REST OF

YOU MAY NOT RECEIVE. >> RIGHT, SO IT WOULD JUST BE IF THERE'S A SITUATION THAT IT'S LARGE ENOUGH THAT REALLY WE ALL NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT THEN IT WOULD COME AND PROBABLY GET TO DR. MCLAUGHLIN AND WE WOULD ALL HEAR ABOUT IT.

OKAY. >> AND THERE DEFINITELY IS A WEIGHING OF THE MATTER. AND SOME OF IT IS LIKE A SMALLER

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WITH THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THEN I WEIGH, DOES EVERYBODY NEED TO KNOW THAT OR IS IT THE INDIVIDUAL ASKING THE QUESTION TO RESPOND BACK TO A PARTICULAR PARENT.

>> ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I THINK THAT I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN I TOOK THIS EXERCISE, THAT SEEMS TO BE NEGLECTED, IS DO ALL BOARD MEMBERS AGREE ON THE CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING COMES LIKE, AS A SPECIFIC THING, DO WE ALL SAY WELL START WITH YOUR ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL, START WITH YOUR TEACHERS, START WITH YOUR ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL, PRINCIPAL, GO UP TO DIRECTIONAL SERVICES, IN OTHER WORDS GO THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND THE RIGHT WAY. AND THAT WASN'T ON HERE.

BUT I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON IT. MAYBE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY.

BUT -- NOT NECESSARY. BUT THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE ANSWER IS WE SHOULD ALL KNOW ABOUT IT OR WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE HANDLED ONSITE.

>> I WANT TO JUST CONFIRM WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, THAT WE ARE IF BENEFICIARIES OF AN -- THE BENEFICIARIES OF AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF INFORMATION AND I DEFINITELY SUBSCRIBE TO THE ADAGE THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVERCOMMUNICATING. I WANT TO HAVE EVERYTHING.

AND I FEEL LIKE WE DO AND I KNOW THAT TAKES EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNTS OF EFFORTS SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO MAKE THOSE EXTRAORDINARY EFFORTS TO KEEP US COMPLETELY INFORMED.

AND I WILL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE FOR SOME REASSURANCE, ESPECIALLY FOR TRUSTEE POWELL.

ON THE TOPIC OF RECEIVING THE SAME INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A MEMBER, I'VE BEEN A VICE PRESIDENT, I'VE BEEN A PRESIDENT, AND I FEEL LIKE I RECEIVED THE SAME INFORMATION REGARDLESS OF, YOU KNOW, THAT RULE AND AGAIN, THAT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT, TOO. SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> I WILL NOTE THAT IF I DO NEED TO VERBALLY COMMUNICATE, THERE IS A CHAIN OF COMMAND AND I DO START WITH THE PRESIDENT.

AND WORK MY WAY DOWN. SO IF YOU ARE EVER WONDERING HOW THAT WORKS, OBVIOUSLY, AND THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT WHICH HAS BEEN FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE YOU KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT AND I SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE PHONE TOGETHER.

AND AS ALWAYS, MY FIRST POINT OF CONTACT ON ANYTHING.

SO I GUESS DIFFERENTLY FROM JUST E-MAILS OR MESSAGES THAT YOU GET, THE PHONE CALLS DO GO THROUGH A PROTOCOL AND EVERYONE GETS THE PHONE CALL. IT'S JUST THAT WHO GETS IT FIRST

AND LAST. >> OKAY.

SO IF NO ONE OBJECTS WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SECTION WHICH IS BOARD MEETINGS. ABOUT ROLE OF THE PRESIDENT AND MANAGING, ABOUT AGENDAS REFLECTING DISTRICT PRIORITIES, CONDUCT AS FAR AS COMING PREPARED, USING DATA TO MAKE DECISIONS, THE BOARD CONFINES ITS MEETINGS TO A REASONABLE LENGTH OF TIME. WE'RE BETTER ON THAT SOME YEARS THAN OTHERS. WE'VE BEEN OKAY THIS YEAR I FEEL LIKE PRETTY. THAT'S THE THING WE DON'T HAVE

ULTIMATE CONTROL OVER THAT ONE. >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING QUICKLY?

>> YEAH, PLEASE. >> I AGREE WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL. WE COULD, I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE SHOULD, WE COULD CONFINE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME. THERE ARE BOARDS THAT DO THAT.

SO I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD DO THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE.

>> YEAH, AND THERE'S A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THAT AND THE QUESTION THAT FOLLOWS. THERE IS A GOOD RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HOW LONG THE BOARD SPENDS ON AN AGENDA ITEM AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ITEM. AND THIS CAME UP IN OUR MOST RECENT MEETING. AND I MADE THIS POINT TO FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE, THAT THAT'S HOW WE STRUCTURE THE AGENDA.

AND YES, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY WITHIN OUR CONTROL TO, ABOUT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT IT IS WITHIN OUR CONTROL TO PRIORITIZE OUR KIDS AND FOCUSING THE CONTENT OF THE MEETING ON THE EDUCATION OF OUR KIDS. SO THAT CAME UP VERY RECENTLY.

SO IT'S TIMELY. >> JUST FROM A BOARD MEETING STRUCTURE AGENDA ITEM STRUCTURE, THERE ARE DISTRICTS THAT WILL

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AT ONE POINT I IN TIME I DID DISCUSS THIS WITH OUR ATTORNEY IF YOU DISCUSS THIS ITEM YOU HAVE TO SIT AND WAIT, BASED ON THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA. SO SOME DISTRICTS WILL PUT TIME AND ULTIMATELY I GUESS IT IS NOT AN ISSUE UNLESS YOU GET CALLED OUT ON IT BUT BECAUSE I DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON IT AND WAS TOLD THAT IF YOU MOVE FASTER THAN THE STATED TIMES, THAT IS A MAJOR

ISSUE WITH YOUR BOARD AGENDA. >> THAT'S WHY WE START OUR MEETINGS AT THE STROKE OF 6 P.M. OR NOT 5:59 BUT -- YEAH, I PERSONALLY -- I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THAT IS AN OPTION.

I THINK THE WAY WE DO IT IS APPROPRIATE AND I WOULDN'T CHANGE IT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THERE

IS ANOTHER WAY. >> I WOULD NOTE OUR BOARD POLICY DOES STATE THAT THE BOARD IF THE HAS THE LUXURY OF DETERMINING SPEAKER TIME. AND THE LENGTH OF DISCUSSION ON AN ITEM. IT DOESN'T GIVE THE AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT IT DOES SAY THAT THE BOARD PRESIDENT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION DURING THE

BOARD MEETING. >> I THINK IT REFLECTS OUR -- PART OF THIS IS OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE FACT THAT THE COMMUNITY FEELS FREE TO COME AND SPEAK TO US AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINION, TH SHOWS THAT THY KNOW WE ARE OPEN TO HEARING FROM THEM. SOME DON'T FEEL THAT WE -- SOME DON'T AGREE WITH US ALL THE TIME BUT I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THEY NOTE THE COMMUNITY NOTES THAT WE ARE OPEN TO HEARING FROM THEM. AND THAT'S WHY WE DON'T SAY, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO LISTEN FOR THE NEXT 20 MINUTES AND THEN

SHUT DOWN. >> YES, SO QUESTION 31 IS THE BOARD EFFECTIVELY MANAGES COMMUNITY INPUT AT BOARD MEETINGS AND ALL FIVE OF US SAID ALMOST ALWAYS.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE WRESTLED WITH THE ALTERNATES AS TRUSTEE SYLVESTER SAID AND WE BACK AWAY FROM COMMENTING ON PLIBT, I THINK WE HAVE COME DOWN ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT ISSUE.

>> MINUS THE ADJUSTMENT OF SPEAKER TIME.

WE HAVE DECREASED TIME BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF CARDS.

>> OKAY, BOARD DEVELOPMENT. YES, GO AHEAD.

>> I GUESS I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW TO POSE THIS QUESTION TO YOU ALL. BUT I GUESS I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT HOW WE'RE FEELING, ABOUT NUMBER 28 AND USING DATA.

LIKE ARE WE AS EFFECTIVE AS WE COULD BE IN UTILIZING DATA NECESSARILY IN OUR DECISION MAKING?

>> DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU WANT TO REMIND US OF OR --

>> WELL, A COUPLE. AND THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE LCAP BUDGET COMMITTEE AROUND WANTING BETTER METRICS TO REALLY EVALUATE WHAT'S HATCHING AND HOW WELL IT ALINES WITH BUDGETS DECISIONS. SO I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A STATEMENT ON IT. IT'S MORE JUST KIND OF POSING IT TO YOU ALL HOW YOU'RE FEELING ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, I LIKE DATA, I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ACHIEVEMENT DATA.

I KNOW WE HAD A GREAT PRESENTATION BACK IN FEBRUARY MID YEAR FROM MR. LEW ON YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE WE WERE AT.

IN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DATA.

I KNOW I'VE REQUESTED SOME KIND OF DATA, HEAVY KINDS OF PRESENTATIONS, BUT WE DON'T HAVT OFTEN.

I KNOW THAT WE'RE JUST GETTING SOME DATA FROM LAST YEAR, AND LET'S JUST SAY I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO BE TALKING ABOUT STUDENT DATA MORE, I KNOW WE HAVE AREAS WE WANT TO IMPROVE IN.

>> SO OFTEN WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE SAY THE WORD DATA I THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS. AND IN EDUCATION, NUMBERS ARE ONLY OF PART OF THE STORY. QUALITATIVE DATA IS REALLY WHERE IT'S AT WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATION.

SO WHEN YOU THINK OF DATA IN THAT MORE EXPANSIVE

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I DO WANT TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION OF WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT WHEN I TALK ABOUT DATA.

DATA IN A CLASSROOM IS A CHILD'S EYEBROW RAISED OR A KID PUTTING THEIR HEAD DOWN AND TEACHERS ARE PROCESSING VAST AMOUNTS OF THAT INFORMATION MOMENT TO MOMENT. AND WE HEAR ABOUT THAT, WE HEAR ABOUT THAT IN PRESENTATIONS. SO BUT IN THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN BE BETTER THIS IS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT.

>> I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU SAID.

I REMEMBER WHEN I SERVED ON THE BUDGET LCAP COMMITTEE WE TALKED ABOUT A PARTICULAR PROGRAM THAT WAS KIND EVER PARALLEL TO WHATI REMEMBERED A FRESHMAN ORIENTATION CLASS THAT I TOOK AT OHIO STATE WHERE I STARTED AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE SAID WELL FOR THE MONEY THAT WE SPEND TO BUY THIS PROGRAM IT MAY NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE. AND I WENT BACK TO THE FACT IF ONE KID -- EXCUSE ME IF ONE STUDENT WAS NOT AS SUCCESSFUL IN JUNIOR AND MIDDLE SCHOOL AS HE COULD HAVE BEEN, HE OR SHE COULD HAVE BEEN BUT THEY WENT THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR INSTRUCTIONAL PROGRAM, BECAME A BETTER STUDENT IN HIGH SCHOOL, THAT MIGHT BE ONLY ONE STUDENT BUT IT CHANGED THEIR LIFE.

AND THAT'S THE KIND OF DATA THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN A DATA PROCESSING BUT IT MEANS SO MUCH TO OUR STUDENTS AND I THINK THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL THING. THAT'S -- SO I AGREE WITH YOU PRESIDENT GILL THAT TO ME DATA REPRESENTS A MASS CONGLOMERATE OF NUMBERS WHERE ANECDOTALLY, THAT'S THE DATA I LOOK AT.

>> YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY VALUABLE COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE HEARING THAT. AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. AND I THINK I STATED IN A RECENT BOARD MEETING, MY APPRECIATION OF MR. LEW'S PRESENTATION, LOOKING AT STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT THROUGH A LENS THAT WASN'T SIMPLY FOCUSED ON QUANTITY TAIF STATE LEVEL ACHIEVEMENT SCORES.

RIGHT? SO I THINK THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONTINUE TO HAVE BECAUSE WE DO REALLY WANT TO -- I REALLY WANT A CLEAR PICTURE OF HOW EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR SUBGROUPS IS DOING.

WE SHOULDN'T JUST BE LOOKING AT STATE LEVEL, YOU KNOW, SCORES, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WE WANT TO LOOK AT FORMATIVE ASSESSMENTS. WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING, ALONG THE WAY, GRADE DISTRIBUTION.

WE WANT TO HEAR QUALITATIVE. I TOTALLY AGREE.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A MIX OF QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE TO GET A FULL PICTURE OF WHAT PERFORMANCE IS REALLY LIKE AND HOW KIDS ARE DOING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S SURVEYS, WHETHER IT'S OUR FOCUS GROUPS WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, STAFF SHARING OBSERVATIONS OF WHAT THEY'RE SEEING, NOT DISTRICT BUT ALSO OUR SITE STAFF, ALL OF THAT IS INCREDIBLY VALUABLE, AND I HOPE WE'LL CONTINUE ASKING FOR IT AND

TALKING ABOUT IT, THAT'S ALL. >> AND I THINK IT'S SO VALUABLE WHEN WE'RE INVITED TO GO TO SCHOOL SITES, I LEARNED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT. YOU KNOW, I WAS AT BANION 4 FOR AN HOUR THIS MORNING, I'M FULL FULL FULL FULL SEEING THE FACES AND EXPRESSIONS AND WHAT THOSE STUDENTS WERE ABLE TO DO IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE LOTS OF DWROAN UPS STANDING AROUND WATCHING THEM DOING IT. SO YEAH.

LET'S THINK OF IT IN THE MOST EXPANSIVE WAY POSSIBLE AND LET'S TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES AND LET'S CONTINUE EVALUATING WHAT COMES BEFORE US. OKAY.

I'M LOOKING AT THE CLOCK AND THINKING LET'S MOVE ALONG.

LET'S TALK ABOUT BOARD DEVELOPMENT.

BUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS HERE I THINK WE HAVE SORT OF ADDRESSED IN THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD THUS FAR.

BUT IS THERE ANYTHING HERE THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO SORT OF WEIGH IN ON? GET CLARIFICATION ON?

ASK A QUESTION ABOUT? >> I WOULD JUST COMMENT ON NUMBER 35 WHICH WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T WANT TO

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>> YEP, I SEE EVERYBODY NODDING SO I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT.

>> I WILL NOTE IF YOU LOOK AT THE BYLAWS ALL OF THEM I MEAN I KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THAT WE DON'T LOOK AT THEM EVERY FIVE YEARS. THEY'VE COME, THEY'VE SIENDLE THROUGH WHAT CSBA -- WE CAN ONLY BRING FORWARD WHAT CSBA UPDATES, THEY DON'T UPDATE EVERY BOARD BYLAW EVERY YEAR EVERY TWO YEARS. SOME OF THEM HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED EVER FROM WHERE THEY STARTED THIS PROCESS.

SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE DATES AND WONDER, THERE JUST MAY NOT BE A REVISED VERSION, THAT IS OUR INDICATION TO BRING BYLAWS OR BOARD POLICIES FOR.

THEY SEND OUT A QUARTERLY REPORT OF WHAT'S BEEN UPDATED AND WE GO BACK THROUGH AND SEE WHAT IT IS THAT WE NEED TO DO IN EACH OF OUR DEPARTMENTS FOR UPDATING. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL.

>> BUT FOR BOARD PHILOSOPHY VISION, SOME OF THOSE OTHER BYLAWS, WE'RE NOT -- I UNDERSTAND WE'RE BOUND BY CSBA LANGUAGE WHEN IT REFERS TO ED CODE BUT WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY BOUND BY THAT FOR SOME OF THIS OTHER STUFF?

>> NO. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE TAKE AWAYS I THINK FROM THIS MORNING'S CONVERSATION THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE READ THROUGH ALL THOSE BYLAWS SORT OF RECENTLY IN CONNECTION WITH CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH TRUSTEE POWELL BUT I'M GOING TO GO BACK NOW AS A RESULT OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND READ THROUGH THEM AGAIN. AND ANY ONE OF US OR ALL OF US CAN DECIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT CSBA DETERMINES IT'S A PRIORITY FOR US TO BRING IT BEFORE THIS BODY AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND DO THAT UPDATING.

>> AND WOULD I REQUEST FOR US OUR INDICATION IS WHAT COMES OUT IN THOSE QUARTERLY REPORTS. IF THERE IS A BYLAW OR BOARD POLICY THAT YOU LOOK AT AND YOU ARE LIKE THIS HASN'T BEEN UPDATED IN A WHILE MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU BRING THAT TO MY ATTENTION AND THEN WE CAN VERIFY THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN AN UPDATE OR MAYBE THERE HAS BEEN BUT WE DIDN'T CATCH IT AND NUMBER 2, WE NEED TO BRING THAT FORWARD FOR BOARD DISCUSSION AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON UP TO DATE BOARD MEMBERS THOUGHTS AND PROCESSES AND REMOVE ANY OLD

POSSIBILITY LANGUAGE. >> OKAY.

SO THAT IS THE END OF THE WHOLE CONDITIONS OF EFFECTIVE GOVERNANCE SECTION. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO JUMP INTO BOARD RESPONSIBILITIES. THIS IS WHAT OUR JOB IS.

AND TO ME THIS IS REALLY A VERY IMPORTANT EXERCISE TO REINFORCE OUR INDIVIDUAL AND GROUP UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE JOB IS. AND, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS WE DO AND I WILL SAY THAT I THINK WE HAVE REALLY IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS DURING OUR BOARD MEETINGS.

I THINK WE DO LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER.

I THINK I WOULD CHARACTERIZE US AS A HIGH FUNCTIONING BOARD.

BUT ANYTHING THAT WE AS INDIVIDUALS OR AS A WORKING GROUP OR AS THE LARGER GOVERNING UNIT THAT INCLUDES DR. MCLAUGHLIN THAT INCLUDES THE LEADERSHIP TEAM THAT INCLUDES THE LEADERS OVER HERE, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO BE BETTER, ALL OF THOSE BENEFITS ACCRUE DIRECTLY TO OUR STUDENTS.

AND TO MAKING SURE THAT OUR STAFF IS VALUED, RESPECTED AND SUPPORTED, AND THAT OUR SCHOOL COMMUNITY IS A HEALTHY AND VIBRANT ONE. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEEDED ANY EXTRA LITTLE MOTIVATION, THAT'S IT.

SO LET'S JUMP INTO BOARD RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THE FIRST ONE WHICH IS SETTING DIRECTION. SO THESE QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITY TO SET DIRECTION FOR THE DISTRICT.

AND THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT HAVE VARIABILITY AND MAYBE WE NEED TO CLARIFY, AGREE TOGETHER, ONE ANOTHER, ABOUT WHAT THE JOB IS.

IN TERMS OF SETTING DIRECTION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THAT

THEY WANT TO. >> I THINK SOME OF THIS WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSS YOU THIS MORNING, RIGHT? AND THAT'S THAT INITIAL INSTEADP REALLY OF SETTING THAT VISION AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT IT'S ALIGNED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE

THAT WE DO. >> YOU KNOW IT SEEMS TO ME THAT

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I THINK THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE, AND TO ME IT'S REASSURING BECAUSE I HEAR US ALL BRINGING DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES BUT OPERATING FROM SOME CORE SET OF VALUES. AND PRINCIPLES.

>> I SEE AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE QUESTION 39 TO ASSESS DISTRICT PERFORMS. PERFORMANCE.

MY PERSPECTIVE ON HOW OUR DISTRICT PERFORMS IS DO WE HAVE EACH AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS THINK THEY'RE INVOLVED AND THIS DISTRICT IS MEANT FOR THEM.

THAT MAY NOT BE THE SAME DEFINITION OF DISTRICT PERFORMANCE THAT MY FOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE.

SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I GUESS WE FIRST HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT OUR VALUES ARE AS FAR AS HOW DO WE SAY THE DISTRICT IS PERFORMING? NOW USING THE CRITERIA THAT I JUST SAID, I WOULD SAY BECAUSE WE HAVE STUDENT UNIONS, BECAUSE WE HAVE DAX THAT INVOLVE PARENTS FOR EVERY CONCEIVABLE CATEGORY THAT YES, EVERY STUDENT FEELS A PART.

THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE, WE DON'T GIVE TESTS ON THURSDAY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TRUSTEE KAHL HERE, TO GET THE STUDENT PERSPECTIVE. BUT WHAT WE FEEL THE VALUES OF OUR DISTRICT PERFORMANCE HAS TO BE DISCUSSED FIRST.

>> I NEED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE BOARD ADOPTS LONG RANGE PRIORITIES. IS WE SET THIS DISTRICT WITH SOME PRETTY AMBITIOUS GOALS WHEN WE DID THE RACIAL EQUITY, WHAT IS THE WORD, WHY AM I -- RESOLUTION, I KNOW WHY I COULDN'T COME UP WITH RESOLUTION.

AND THAT WORK, WE REFLECT ON IT EVERY TIME WE MAKE A DECISION.

IT FLOWS THROUGH EVERY SINGLE AGENDA ITEM, THAT WORK TAKES A VERY LONG TIME OF DELIBERATE FOCUS.

AND IT'S THE REASON BECAUSE THAT WORK IS PROCEEDING, THAT WHEN WE HAD OUR MOST RECENT GOAL SETTING SESSION, I WAS DELIBERATE ABOUT NOT COMING UP WITH A LIST OF 20 NEW PRIORITIES.

BECAUSE WE SET THE DISTRIBUTE ON THIS COURSE, WE KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AN ENORMOUS LIFT, WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO TAKE YEARS, NOT MONTHS, NOT WEEKS, BUT WE SPOKE WITH ONE VOICE THAT IT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO US. BUT I THINK THAT DESERVES CLARIFICATION, ESPECIALLY FOR TRUSTEE POWELL WHO CAME IN IN THE MIDDLE, TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT DYNAMIC IMPACTED OUR GOAL-SETTING SESSION THIS PAST SPRING.

>> IT'S A GREATLY -- I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW,

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AND LUCKILY I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH MOST OF THESE PRIORITIES THAT WERE SET BEFORE MY TIME, BEFORE I CAME ON THE BOARD WHICH HAS MADE IT A LOT SMOOTHER AND EASIER OF COURSE.

BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE WITH CSBA'S RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT REALLY HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEW BOARD EARLY ON. AND THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HELPED ME IN THAT MAY MEETING, HAVING THAT.

>> YEP, AND I WILL OWN THAT I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THAT FORWARD FOR ALL OF US SO THAT YOU GOT THAT CLARIFICATION EARLIER THAN

TODAY. >> CAN I --

>> YES. >> I DO THINK OUR ANNUAL GOAL SETTING SESSION IS INCREDIBLY PRODUCTIVE AND VERY IMPORTANT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. I DO THINK WE DO REFLECT AT THAT TIME ON WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE INDICATORS, HOW WE ARE MEASURING HOW WE DO. AND I THINK WE HAVE DONE PERSONALLY I THINK WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB AT THAT.

SO. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. STRUCTURE, THESE NEXT SET OF FOUR QUESTIONS TALKS ABOUT STRUCTURE.

IS THERE ANYTHING HERE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DIVE INTO, TALK ABOUT, CLARIFY, ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT?

YES, SIR. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW APPRECIATIVE I AM THAT YOU DR. HYAK LEAD US THROUGH THE FISCAL STAGES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THE FACT THAT WE DO A PREVIEW, WE DO A WHAT'S GOING ON CURRENTLY, WE DO A -- HOW WE SPEND AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND THEN A PREVIEW FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND SO ON, SO FORTH. I THINK THAT CLARIFIES THINGS TREMENDOUSLY FOR US. AND SO I THINK WE DO A -- I THINK WE LOOK AT THE FISCAL HEALTH OF OUR DISTRICT REGULARLY THREE OR FOUR TIMES. THE PRESENTATIONS ARE DATA-DRIVEN, I DON'T SOMETIME APPRECIATE THEM AS MUCH AS I DO OTHERS. BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT HELPS US EXAMINE AND REEXAMINE THE FISCAL HEALTH

OF OUR DISTRIBUTE SO THANK YOU. >> NISH ELSE ON STRUCTURE? OKAY. SUPPORT.

A SEA OF GREEN, EXACTLY, GOOD WAY TO EXPRESS THAT.

WE HAVE BROAD AGREEMENT ON THESE QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO CALL OUT IN PARTICULAR? MAYBE THERE IS. SUPPORT, THE FOUR QUESTIONS

ABOUT -- >> NO, I'M FINE.

>> OKAY. ACCOUNTABILITY.

NUMBER 52, THE BLORD EVALUATES THE PERFORMANCE OF THE BOARD,

WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING THAT. >> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN THREE YEARS. I TAKE THIS ON LESS OFTEN.

THAT IS FAIR, THAT IS FAIR. BUT WE'RE STARTING A NEW ERA I

GUESS TODAY. >> AND JUST AS SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN IN THE DISTRICT 11 YEARS OR HALFWAY THROUGH MY TEN AND A HALF YEARS OR WHEREVER I'M AT, JUST THERE A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE SO THEY KNOW, WE HAVE NEVER HAD THE BOARD DO AN EVALUATION. SO IT'S NOT THAT ANYTHING HAS LAPSED IN TRANSITION OF NEW BOARD MEMBERS COMING IN, OR SUPERINTENDENT COMING IN, OR CABINET.

IT'S JUST IT'S NOT BEEN DONE. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU I CAN'T FIND ANY DOCUMENTS OF WHEN THE BOARD LAST DID A SELF EVALUATION. AS MR. R OBSERVESBECK SAID, IN THE 44 YEARS THIS DISTRICT HAS BEEN EXISTING.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO FILES MAY HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD STUFF SOMEWHERE BUT NOTHING ON THE COMPUTER BASED FILES.

>> CAVE ETCHINGS. GUT DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO CONTINUE DOING THIS REGULARLY? GOOD I AGREE.

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AND THERE'S BROAD AGREEMENT ON ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS BUT THE FLOOR'S OPEN IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE ROLE FOR EACH OF US AND US TOGETHER AS COMMUNITY LEADERS.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY TO ME IT'S A TRUE STRENGTH THAT AS WE LISTEN TO OUR COMMUNITY ADVISORY COUNCILS, ALL SEVEN, THAT ALMOST EVERY MEETING AT LEAST FOUR AND USUALLY FIVE OF US ARE THERE, TS TO HEAR, TO LISTEN. AND TO ME, I THINK THAT -- AGAIN, I WOULD COMPARE US TO OTHER BOARDS IN THE STATE, AND I

WOULD COMPARE US FAVORABLY. >> COULD WE -- I MEAN COULD SOMEBODY SHARE? I MEAN AGAIN THESE ARE ABOUT THE BOARD, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTE.

SO IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S US.

CAN SOMEBODY SHARE MAYBE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHEN WE'VE USED COHESIVE MESSAGES TO COMMUNICATE PRIORITIES GOALS AND NEEDS?

>> JUST WITH THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THOUSAND OAKS HIGH SCHOOL, THERE WAS A JOINT LETTER THAT WAS SENT, WE HAD A JOINT LETTER, THAT'S JUST FROM A COMMUNICATION STANDPOINT OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE HAD, WHAT WAS THE -- OH HOUSING WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SECOND ONE, OBVIOUSLY THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON AS THE CROSSING GUARDS, JUST SOME EXAMPLES I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, JUST AS COMMUNICATION WISE.

>> I HEARD SOMEBODY RECENTLY SAY THAT YOU SHOW LOVE BY SHOWING UP. AND WE DO THAT.

AND IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE WITH PREVIOUS BOARDS.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE INVITED TO SCHOOL SITES AND ALL OF US ARE JUGGLING WORK AND FAMILY AND OTHER COMMITMENTS THAT WE HAVE JUST LIKE OUR SCHOOL FAMILIES ARE JUGGLING THE SAME KINDS OF COMMITMENTS, BUT WHEN WE ARE ABLE, I'M REALLY PROUD TO SAY THAT ALL OF US ARE THERE, AND I THINK THAT COMMUNICATES HOW MUCH WE CARE AND SUPPORT AND ADVOCATE FOR OUR SCHOOL SITES AND THE

DISTRICT AS A WHOLE. >> ILY THINK THAT MESSAGING DURING BOARD MEETINGS, WHAT WE AGREE WITH, WE DON'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING, WE SHOULDN'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING, WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT LENSES BUT I DO THINK THE VISION, THE MISSION THAT RUNS THROUGH US DOES GET ARTICULATED DURING THOSE TIMES

IN A VERBAL MANNER. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT EVEN PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT YOU SAID, TRUSTEE SIL VEST DERM EVEN THOUGH IT'S REDUNDANT AND REPETITIVE, THAT WHEN WE DO BOARD COMMENTS RIGHT AFTER AND I'M LOOKING AT THE EMPTY CHAIR WHICH IS KIND OF SILLY, BUT RIGHT AFTER WE DO STUDENT REPORTERS AND EACH OF US SAY INDIVIDUALLY THIS IS THE GREATEST TIME OF OUR BOARD MEETINGS SAYING THAT WE EMPHASIZE OUR STUDENTS, THAT OUR STUDENTS ARE OUR MOST, TO QUOTE AN OLD TV COMMERCIAL OUR MOST IMPORTANT PRODUCT.

THAT THAT CONVEYS OUR JOINT MESSAGE THAT WE'RE HERE FOR THEM AND WE ENJOY HEARING FROM THEM WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE KIND OF DO SOME WORK AROUND, YOU KNOW, UPDATING LIKE SOME OF THESE LIKE THE VISION AND MISSION AND REALLY HAVING, YOU KNOW, CLEAR CONSISTENT WORDING, THAT WE ALL AGREE ON, THAT WILL HELP US WITH THAT MESSAGING MOVING FORWARD. BECAUSE I THINK IT ALL KIND OF FLOWS THROUGH. LIKE SOMETIMES I WONDER YOU KNOW IF SOMEBODY CAME TO THE FIVE OF US AND SAID, OR CAME TO EACH OF US INDIVIDUALLY AND SAID SO WHAT ARE THE DISTRICT'S PRIORITIES THIS YEAR, WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES THERE YEAR, WOULD WE ALL SAY THE SAME THING? AND SHOULD WE?

>> I WOULD WAGER WE WOULD ALL SAY THE SAME THING, LIKELY IN A

DIFFERENT ORDER. >> I DO WANT TO SUPPORT ADD,

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THE FACT THAT AT STUDENT DISTRICT ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETINGS, THERE -- I MEAN IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES FROM EVERY ONE OF OUR SECONDARY, THREE OR FOUR REPRESENTATIVES THERE EACH OF OUR SECONDARY SCHOOLS, THERE ARE MORE STAFF PEOPLE, US, TOGETHER, THAT SHOWS OUR EMPHASIS THAT WE VALUE OUR STUDENTS AND WE VALUE THEIR OPINION THAT WE LISTEN TO THEM. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A

PRIORITY. >> OKAY.

WE'VE ACTUALLY REACHED THE END OF ALL OF THE QUESTIONS.

BUT BEFORE WE GO, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY JUST REMARKS ABOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS, ANY FINAL COMMENTS, ANYTHING AT ALL THAT YOU WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD BEFORE WE END THIS SESSION?

>> I GUESS I'D BE INTEREST TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU HOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I MEAN I'VE COME TO THIS BODY BEFORE WITH SOME OF MY INITIAL IMPRESSIONS FROM TRAININGS FROM CSBA FROM THIS BOOK THAT WE'RE ALL GIVEN AND ASKED TO RETHE GOVERNANCE CORE WHICH I ACTUALLY CARRY WITH ME TO EVERY SINGLE BOARD MEETING, IT'S ALWAYS WITH ME WITH ALL MY DISTRICT STUFF.

I ALSO HAVE A PRINTOUT OF KIND OF THE CSBA AND LIGHT HOW STUDY.

THERE ARE THOSE POINTS OF WHAT MAKES AN EFFECTIVE SCHOOL BOARD AND DAILY LOOK AT IT OF ARE WE DOING THIS, HOW CAN WE DO BETTER ON ALL OF THIS. I GUESS THE QUESTION TO ALL OF YOU WOULD BE, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU THINK IS VALUABLE.

I WAS BEGIN IT ALL SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S CONSIDERED FOR IT TO BE VALUABLE FOR US TO USE ALL OF THIS AS WELL AS THE CSBA OR ALL OF THE CSSBA ADVICE AROUND GOVERNANCE.

>> I THINK IT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THE EXPERIENCES OF A LOT OF DISTRICTS AND A LOT OF BOARDS.

I DON'T -- I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS APPLY TO US. OR SHOULD.

BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANYTHING, I TRY TO TAKE GUIDANCE FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I BELIEVE IS REFLECTIVE OF THE BEST POSSIBLE PRACTICES FOR BOARD MEMBERS AND FOR BOARDS.

AND WE CAN ALWAYS BE BETTER, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME AND THE CANDID RESPONSES AND THE OPENNESS TO, YOU KNOW, TO BEING VULNERABLE AND ATTEMPTING TO LEARN HOW TO BE -- HOW WE CAN BE BETTER TOGETHER AND AGAIN, ALL OF THE BENEFITS OF OUR WORKING HARD TO BE BETTER INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS AND BETTER WORKING UNIT ACCRUE DIRECTLY TO OUR STUDENTS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE GET UP IN THE MORNING.

ANYBODY ELSE? >> SORRY, CAN I SAY ONE MORE

THING? >> YES OF COURSE CAN YOU.

>> AGAIN ALL OF THE STUFF IS REALLY FRESH FOR ME SINCE I'M 11 MONTHS IN HERE. JUST ONE OTHER THING THAT I THINK CSBA REALLY EMPHASIZES A LOT ON THEIR TRAINING ON GOVERNANCE IS THAT CONCEPT OF TRUST.

YOU KNOW BETWEEN THE FIVE BOARD MEMBERS AND HOW CRITICAL THAT IS IF WE DON'T HAVE TRUST. THEN WE -- THEN THINGS FALL APART. EVERYTHING FALLS APART.

AND IT'S HARD TO DEVELOP THAT TRUST AND THAT WOULD DO THAT RELATIONSHIP BUILDING, WHEN YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO TALK AS A GROUP IN PUBLIC BOARD MEETINGS. I WOULD THROW THAT OUT THERE, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN DO ONE ON ONE DISCUSSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH EACH OTHER. JUST -- WOULD I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AS JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I HOPE WE ALL KIND OF KEEP IN MIND AND CONTINUE TO KIND OF DO OUR RELATIONSHIP

BUILDING AS BEST THAT WE CAN. >> YES, AND I DO THINK IT HAPPENS IN SOME OF THE HARDER CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD HERE. YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN WE HAVEN'T ALL AGREED. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN WE SAID WE'RE NOT READY TO MAKE THIS DECISION TOGETHER.

WE NEED MORE TIME BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS TOPIC ON ANOTHER BOARD AGENDA AND WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AFTER WE'VE HAD SOME TIME TO REFLECT AFTER WE'VE HAD SOME TIME TO RESEARCH AND I KNOW WE'VE CHANGED OUR MINDS.

I KNOW I HAVE LISTENED TO YOU GUYS AND SAID OH, YEAH.

OF COURSE. AND I'VE WATCHED THAT HAPPEN IN

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IT'S NOT EASY TO DO THAT IN PUBLIC.

BUT I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT EVERY ONE OF THE FIVE OF US COMES READY TO DO THAT. I HAVE THAT TRUST.

YES. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

>> AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS WITH THE BOARD WHO IS OUTSIDE LOOKING IN ON THIS PROCESS, AND SOMEONE WHO'S WORKED WITH PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW, 23 TO 29 DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBERS IN MY CAREER OF TWO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AN EITHER SITTING AT CABINET OR UP HERE AT T DAIS AT CONEJO VALLEYI APPRECIATE THE SOLICITATION OF INFORMATION IS ALWAYS FAIR. I FEEL LIKE I'M BEING PUT ON THE SPOT TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO THE BOARD.

I FEEL THAT THE QUESTIONS ARE VALUABLE.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM ASKING STAFF OR MYSELF TO SIT DOWN AND WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND IF I DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY I WOULD OBVIOUSLY LET YOU KNOW. AND SO -- BECAUSE THAT IS JUST THE WAY I AM. BUT SO I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK OF THIS BOARD AND THE ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER AND BE FAIR TO EXPECTATIONS OF QUESTIONS AROUND RESPONSES BACK AND THEN TIME FRAMES AND GETTING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO YOU.

SO I DO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK PRESIDENT GILL FOR LEADING US IN THIS EFFORT, HOLDING OUR FEET TO THE FIRE, DOING THIS EFFORT, AND SPENDING THE TIME TO STRUCTURE THE CONVERSATION. SO MUCH APPRECIATED.

>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE HARD WORK, AND WE'LL ADJOURN OUR VERY FIRST EVER BOARD SELF

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.